DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 27-Nov-2007

Meeting Title:	TM Committer Phone Meeting
Date & Time:	Tuesday Nov 27, 2007 at 1600 UTC / 1100 Eastern
Dial-in:	Martin to call everybody by Skype

Backup dial-in: International +44 (0)1452 567588 / Freephone +1 (866) 6161738 / UK 08712460713 / Passcode: 0587322148 #

MartinO to start conference call - please dial in using the numbers above.
Please be available for Skype Chat in parallel to the call. MartinO will start Skype chat just prior to call.
Skype dial-in: martin.oberhuber, ddykstal (or david_dykstal), david-k-mcknight, kushal.munir, kevin.j.doyle, xuan.chen886, rupen.mardirossian, javier.montalvoorus, tedatteddotnet, michael_scharf, and uwe.stieber.

Attendees

• IBM - Xuan Chen, Dave McKnight, Kevin Doyle, Dave Dykstal, Rupen Mardirossian
• Wind River - Martin Oberhuber, Uwe Stieber (Michael Scharf n/a)
• Symbian - Javier Montalvo Orus

This is an Open call, so anyone else can join (though we expect the talk to be interesting for committers only).

Agenda

• Last meeting: DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 14-Nov-2007

Current Work

• Skype Call Quality
  • Some quality problems (Echo, break-ups) with Rupen, Kevin and Xuan. Resolved by kicking and re-dialing
  • Conference setup was hard until everybody was in (multiple tries), but in the end it worked OK with 8 participants.
• Planning - AI Martin to write up what we discussed in Toronto
• BugDay this Friday November 30 -- currently 23 bugs marked for BugDay
  • Kushal and Kevin started the RSE World blog, will write about BugDay
• Bug Fixing - Remember our 2-fix-per-week / 3 unittests-per-milestone plan
  • Since our DSDP/TM/Face-to-face Meeting Toronto 17-Sep-2007 it's now 10 weeks / 2 milestones, so each committer is due 20 fixes / 6 unittests
  • Current situation is on this bugzilla report: DaveM 43, MichaelS 31, Martin 20, Xuan 13, Kevin 12, Javier 4, Uwe 3, DaveD 3
  • Also grab simple bugs to get the count down -- that's what Rupen's doing
  • Unittests: Xuan, DaveM, Javier added some; Martin 0; not sure about others; Martin will add Releng scripts next
• DaveD: - bug 160403 Filters should be connection-private by default
  • Hi-Pri P2/Major bugs -- starting to work on the bug backlog;
  • What should we do with the RSE Programmer Guide Extensions.html document compared to the Extension Points Reference? Should we try to keep them in sync manually, or replace with a link to the Reference?
    • Probably just change the wording: "These are the most useful extension points... see the reference for others" -- New bug 211095
• DaveM: - New P2 Regressions to be fixed in M4 urgently:
  • bug 209704 - Contribute encoding conversion extension point
    • Upload and download are slightly different; receive-all-then-convert or convert-on-the-fly
    • Have it in subsystem or in service? - Martin: What happens if user selects a conversion but service does not provide/support it?
    • Perhaps have a supportsEncodingConversion() in IFileService with a default returning false in AbstractFileService; and subsystem to check
  • bug 210555 - NPE during ssh files / delete - fixed by Xuan, by putting code in "Local" only
    • bug 211067 - (Xuan) get rid of SystemMessages in Service layer
      • DaveD: SystemMessages are heavily used in IBM products, they rely on having message ID's
      • There are two problems: (a) the whole interface, and (b) the format in which messages are stored
      • Martin: What does SystemMessage have, that could not be mapped to an IStatus object? --> The Level 2 Text
        • The namespace spanned by IStatus is more general, SystemMessage codes need to be "administered" to ensure uniqueness
      • Could we define an "RSEStatus" object that has all the properties we need from SystemMessage but still conforms to IStatus
      • DaveD: There must be an associated Property with the IStatus (to do something useful, in case the message is not being translated)
      • AI Martin Cover these ideas in the bug
  • bug 210563 - No error message shown when failure during expanding a filter
  • bug 209703 - Can one property page affect the contents of another property page?
    • Martin's recommendation: keep property pages self-contained wherever possible; cross-modification may be possible
    • Alternative was to have an extension point to modify the existing property page
      • Uwe: The Property Dialog now has IPageChangeListener (new API since Eclipse 3.1) -- might help to fix the problem; the only undefined point is when the event occurs, before or after the actual change; together with IPropertyChangeListener
      • AI DaveM Look at IPageChangeListener / E-Mail to eclipse.org-committers@eclipse.org
• Kevin: - bug 208778 EFS#APPEND
• Xuan: - Tar handling; some IBM issues on the side
• Javier: - Been on vacation last week; some Symbian stuff right now; cannot promise the bugcount promise
• Martin: - Worked on TCF; Need to put Project Plan on the Web; Update Releng scripts to automatically run unit tests at night
• Uwe: - Did some fix to the New Connection Wizard first page (systemType selection)
• Rupen: - bug 210682 - Discussion on scope of enhancement? Discussions on which buttons will/should be used in the new renaming dialog. Should the rename button even exist?
  • DaveM: Rename makes sense for a single file, but not for multiple files (one easily loses track)
  • Martin: Compare directories first, come up with a table of conflicts; allow user to select each line in turn, then compare/cancel etc. DaveM: Similar to the "Rename Multiple" Dialog
  • Renaming is just a workaround anyways. People don't want to rename. They want to diff the files to see what's the right version
  • Gravitating towards something very simple -- show all conflicts, overwrite all / cancel all; keep advanced operations like overwrite / diff / etc to the Team/Sync integration; AI Martin add on the bug
• Michael: -
• Questions

• Bugzilla:
  • Severity Major, hi-priority

Action Items

• Last Meeting Action Items
• DaveD: fixes, unit tests
• DaveM: Ask committers about multi-property-dialog; fixes, unit tests; ask Violaine about bug 209704
• Xuan: fixes, unit tests
• Kevin: fixes, unit tests
• Martin: Update bugzilla's; Write-up TM 3.0 Plan; Look at PropertyDescriptor issues; unit tests; Releng Fixes, Newsgroup
• Javier: fixes, unit tests; document the Symbian internal test setup similar to CVS -- see also CVS_Development#Testing
• Michael: Terminal improvements

Next Meeting

• Monthly DSDP/TM/Phone Meeting 5-Dec-2007 at 9am PST / 1600 UTC
• DSDP/TM/Committer Phone Meeting 12-Dec-2007 at 1600 UTC (without Kevin and Rupen)